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Mooney-Ursuline football dilemma solved
Published: Mon, November 2, 2009 @ 12:10 p.m.
The great debate about where Mooney and Ursuline would play their first-round playoff games has been decided.
Mooney athletic director Don Bucci called the Ohio High School Athletic Association on Monday, and OHSAA assistant commissioner Henry Zaborniak, after a meeting with other staff members, declared that Mooney would have first option since the Cardinals are the No. 1 seed in Division III, Region 9.
Obviously, Mooney chose to play at Stambaugh Stadium on Friday at 7:30 p.m. against Mogadore Field.
Ursuline athletic director Jim Maughan confirmed shortly after 1 p.m. that Ursuline's game vs. Garfield Heights Trinity, also on Friday at 7:30 p.m., will be played at Girard High's Arrowhead Stadium
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Provided Fitch doesn't have a football game at that time Ursuline should play there.
They dont. and it should have been.
Yes it should have been Fitch, but I guess they have a sadie hawkins dance that night. O well, their loss and Girard's gain.
I'd want to play there too, if I "controlled" the referees from the Loge. A "points-taken-off-the-scoreboard" two weeks ago made them the Number 1 Seed. Add the six points to the Final score Don, and you'd be a third seed; and 9-1. You'll never get past the Final Four in Division III. Go Campbell!!!!! Soup City!!!!!!!!
doesnt matter, ursuline would beat trinity on rollerskates at the local rollercade.
GO IRISH!!!! Does NOT really matter where, when, what, why OR how: UHS rules...THE END
Real fair of OHSAA letting Girard host two play off games on the same week end.
Ursuline should have 1st choice at Stambaugh. They are right across the street, no need to hire buses, can walk there, which they do. Mooney has to hire buses anyway, so why cant they travel to Girard or wherever. GO IRISH
wachovia, the OHSAA gets all of the gate money that doesn't come from presale tickets at the schools. It's not like Girard is rolling in the dough here because they are hosting this... the only money they are getting is the concession stand money and whatever they negotiated to get Ursuline to pay them (if anything)
ts you are incorrect - Girard gets paid -Athletic dept. a flat fee to host a game and are allowed to charge for parking along with concessions
Bucci at it again, Im so tired of Mooney, I hope then get beat
I hope Girard's entire 7th/8th grade team comes to watch Ursuline score 70 points en route to another state championship.
Who is their right mind would let Ursuline play their games at a stadium? It is unfair promotion to let UHS play a game at a stadium within an Ursuline feeder district. Ursuline should never use a stadium for a home game at: Girard, Hubbard, Austintown, Campbell, etc.
YSU is the only place UHS/Mooney can't recruit junior high players.
bman, you are full of feces.
Here we go with the recruiting bs.... What the hell do you call open enrollment?
I live in Girard so Im glad...and a an Ursuline grad.
I win twice
both mooney and ursuline are a couple of stiffs. i hope they lose a heartbreaker in the first round. or better yet get to the championship and choke on a big blow out !! WAY overrated !!
Why all the hate toward two valley schools,regardless of what school plays,I wish them luck.We should back our local teams,I didn't go to either school but I'm glad for them.
6 time state champs
Only one real state title, 1973. The rest of them are as a D-I school playing in the rural school divisions. That would be like OSU bragging about beating YSU.
GO URSULINE
GO YOUNGSTOWN
They dont pick their divisions jackass. And they usually dont play anyone in their divisions until the playoffs, until then both schools play schools much larger than they are. If youre gonna hate at least get your facts first!
Why not just play a double header at Stambaugh?
They do indeed pick their divisions by not recruiting too many kids and by not making an issue of it with the OHSAA. Don't you think that an organization supposedly for truth and fairness would fight for both? Maybe they like the attraction and recruitment that these "championships" bring? Maybe they like the unfairness since it benefits them in enrollment and financially?
So they play SOME schools larger than they are (in enrollment only) during the regular season. They certainly don't play a tough schedule. They recruit from multiple counties, play mostly parochial schools since the publics won't play cheaters, and then open a can of whoop on teams from rural areas during the playoffs. How pathetic really.
Good luck to both schools. Bring home the titles. As for mooney93, Mooney has moved up a division to D-III this year. Do you think they recruited more this tear than the past. Why not moved all the way up to D-I and really rake in the extra money. As for not playing a tough schedule, who plays a harder schedule in the area. Next year they are adding St. Ed's and Cincy Moeller. And what does this mean:" So they play SOME schools larger than they are (in enrollment only) during the regular season. "? Enrollment is how all schools are classified. Think before you post.
Nice that the first playoff game in the new Girard Stadium will be played by ..............(drum roll).........Ursuline!
Ursuline, the school that consistently over the years has stolen Girard athletes for all of it's programs.
Sure is obvious that there are a couple of Ursuline grads in charge of things in Girard,
Guess money means more than community pride to those guys. If Girard grads were running that place you can be sure Ursuline would never be playing there.
Corky must be showing off that parochial education! They play schools with more enrollment but not more football players Corky. Most public schools with the enrollment of Mooney and Ursuline don't have half the boys in the school on the football team. I went there. I saw what went on there. Kids coming to Mooney all of a sudden after going to other high schools. Are you that naive? For those who can't afford it, alumni often pay their tuition. So what Mooney moved up to D-III this year. Not bad for a team who belongs in D-I. Beating up those small schools is really fun isn't it? Boardman and Fitch played a MUCH tougher schedule this year. Both played in a league that placed 5 teams in the D-I not the small schools playoffs. If Fitch or Boardman could only play those puny schools instead of St Ignatius, they'd be favored to win at D-III and D-V also. Mooney only played 2 D-I teams and only beat Boardman because of turnovers. The rest of their schedule was soft and Ursuline's was even softer.
Why not create a Catholic Division and let them beat up on each other. Year end and year out, Catholic schools are always at the top of the rankings.
Better yet create a Parochial division and let them play for a state title against other like minded schools. Whether its St. Xavier, Moeller, St. Eds, St. Ignatius, St. Vincent, Mooney, Ursuline, They all play in one division when it comes to the playoffs. They can keep their regular season schedules but come playoff time, they beat up on each other. Thats FAIR.
Why all the hate because Mooney and Ursuline are not both playing their "home" playoff game at YSU? Both teams are deserving of hosting a playoff game, it's just that the OHSAA has all the Division 5 games on the same night as the Division 3 games. So what!!! Ursuline has to play at Girard!! BFD!! Girard students, parents and kids will come out and support the Irish on Friday night. That city loves high school football!! I expect to hear about a huge crowd up at Arrowhead!!
I attended Ursuline but graduated from Girard. I still love both schools and keep up with the valley sports from down here in Florida. Support the area kids and lets hope that they bring home a state title or more to the area, cuz God knows that area can use some kind of good thing to happen to it.
And as far as the scheduling, who gives a crap!! If there are same division schools that don't want to play Ursuline or Mooney, then what do you want them to do?? I'd still love to see both schools combine to make a Youngstown Central Catholic and kick the whole state's butt in every sport. But then you people would come on here and complain that they recruit kids from the suburbs of Y'town. Well, where do you expect the parochial grade school kids to go to school?
GO INDIANS!!
GO IRISH!!!
GO BLUE DEVILS!!! (went to McDonald in 8th grade too).
I'm not sure Mooney beating Salem is the type of "good thing" the valley needs. Or Ursuline beating Hicksville. Steelers6 above is correct, there should be 2 separate playoffs, one for parochial schools, and one for public schools. For the parochial schools there should be 2 divisions. One for the mega schools like St Ignatius who recruits from all of Cleveland, St Xavier who recruits from Cincinatti, and some others. One for the other cheater schools. The public school divisions are pretty fair and balanced. The state should be ashamed of the current setup.
Im not going to hate on Mooney or Ursuline I wish them the best of luck. However, I want to know how many boys are enrolled at these schools. For example I saw the Mooney-Harding game and noticed they had damn near 80 players and only 3 boys in the band and that just doesnt correlate with the average school with the same enrollment. Im from Farrell Pa and our school has 94 boys in the high school and 32 boys on the football team and play Class A in football and Class AAA in basketball.(A is the lowest Pa class and enrollment ends at 194 Class AAA is second highest and maxes out at 500 students)
You can check the enrollment numbers here.
http://www.ohsaa.org/members/sptdivis09....
That's the problem I mentioned above. In a public school with 500 boys, the number who are football players is maybe 10-20%. At the football factories called Mooney and Ursuline, the percentage who are football players can be 50% or higher. They are recruiting machines. Athletics are the focus, not academics. The bands are a good measure. There simply aren't many non athletes at Mooney and Ursuline.
The state would never change to using the above mentioned separate parochial and public school playoffs. I don't see them changing to that. I agree that it would probably be nice, but then you're talking about keeping the public school teams and athletes away from playing those "football factories" as you talk about.
What college scout in their right mind is going to go to a public school playoff game versus a private school playoff game? I wouldn't want to see some kid that goes to a public school miss out on a chance to be seen at the next level, because his family can't afford the tuition of a private school.
My 20 year-old is playing college baseball and if he didn't play some of his high school games against those elite private schools, then he wouldn't have had that chance to show that there are kids in the public schools that are just as good of athletes as those that are in the private schools.
I agree that it's not fair, but it's been that way forever. The same happens in other sports too, not just football.
Using the excuse that it's been that way forever and therefore we can't change it doesn't make sense.
Yes, it happens in most sports.
Separate playoffs wouldn't change the college scouting at all. Colleges are good at finding kids who are college athlete material at any level.
Some states have separate playoff structures for public and parochial. It works better than Ohio's embarrassment.
So what you are saying is that if a state doesn't have separate divisions for public and non-public schools then it's playoff system is an embarassment? New Jersey and Mississippi are the only states that have separate championships for those classifications of schools, so the other 48 states must be an embarassment.
Here are a couple of playoff systems in states that I know:
Michigan - if you win 6 out of 9 games, then you are in. At the end of the 9th week, they have 256 teams make the playoffs, some with 5 wins also to make the 256 number. Take those 256 teams, sort them by enrollment, and separate them into 8 divisions. Then it's all based on who you beat and their records as far as seeding in a region.
Florida - there is no conferences, only districts in 8 classes. The first and second place team in each district make the playoffs. There are only 8 (bottom 4 classes) or 16 (larger 4 classes) districts in each class. You may have a team win their district but be 4-5 or worse (last year a team 2-8 made the playoffs because they had only 4 teams in their district).
I'd say Ohio's system is fine. I never liked the computer ranking system but you can't leave it up to voters (see the BCS garbage every year in college football).
Yeah, Ohio's system is a complete embarrassment. The parochial schools will win the titles almost every year. The public schools might as well stay home. Do you think Salem will ever beat Mooney? Not a chance. It is a very sweet system for the God squad. Pretty much guarantees championships or at least finals appearances nearly every year. I'm not proud of my alma mater because they actually enjoy the benefit.
Last year - 4 out of 6 were "God Squad"
2007 - 2 out of 6
2006 - 3 out of 6
2005 - 3 out of 6
2004 - 2 out of 6
2003 - 1 out of 6
2002 - 2 out of 6
2001 - 4 out of 6
2000 - 2 out of 6
1999 - 3 out of 6
Past 10 years - 26 out of 60 champions were private schools, that is 43%. I'd say it's pretty even.
This will be an ongoing arugment for sometime now....
I agree. I'm dropping it because it will not change anytime soon.
You think 43% is even? Considering the private schools make up 10% of the total number of schools! St Ignatius has won around 10 big school titles. Cincinnati Moeller 7. Parochial schools have won 21 of the 37 big school titles.
A few years ago, the parochial schools made up 7 of the 12 state finalist. It's an embarrassment and most people outside the parochial school sphere agree. Some parochial schools have become athletic factories. Mooney and Ursuline will nearly always make the playoffs because of the unfairness of them playing in lower divisions. It's a complete and total disgrace. Many states have changed the playoff structure to bump parochial schools up a division or two. Like you said a few states have split public and parochial playoffs. There is still an outcry from public schools in other states about the unfairness. It's a shame that kids from schools like Crestview will never get a chance as long as Ursuline is in D-V using D-I talent recruited from multiple counties. A total sham.
Who really cares where the teams play? All I know is I am cheering for ALL local teams. They could play in a vacant field, for all I care. As long as a local team represents well for the area, that's all I could care about. Good luck to ALL 17 local teams that made the playoffs.
On a side note, I think that the OHSAA has it out for the greater Youngstown area when it comes to the playoffs. Notice, if Crestview and Ursuline win, they meet. One will get knocked out.
Steelerman, This week, Ursuline is a lock, Crestview is not. Should Crestview win and face Ursuline next week, that match up won't even be close. Ursuline is easily 40 points better than Crestview. Ursuline is a good D-I team masquerading as a D-V.
I don't understand why OHSAA is not fixing this problem, gotta be a money thing!