Atownparent, there has been a lot of information provided both by the Vindicator and other posters about why the WRTA is vital to the success of the entire region, not just to Youngstown, and I felt repeating that information would be redundant. If you would like me to reiterate all that has been stated about why a bus system, not just in Youngstown, but an infrastructure for one to be in place throughout the entire county, is important to job creation (as it is in any settled community--and by community, I mean a region, not just a township or not even just one small city) then I will certainly comb through the articles that have already been printed. However, you have commented on all of those articles and declared it useless to you and yours despite the evidence that revitalizing the service to be used by people of all the surrounding communities and in order to attract more jobs to the area (because a bus service is one of the things many employers look at when it comes to whether or not they will locate in your community), so would I not be talking to the proverbial wall by repeating that information here yet again?
Atownparent, it is your first amendment right to use opinion to argue. It is everyone elses right to call you on that and point out how uninformed your opinions are.
AtownParent, I just agreed with you elsewhere, but it doesn't mean we agree on everything, which is fine. The tax hike would cost us, you and I, very little more money in the end each year. Really. And it is simply not only used by city residents, so at the very least when you post things of this nature, you should use a qualifying word like "mostly used by" instead of the definitive "used by" which indicates that it is "only" city residents that use the bus system, and this is simply not true. And also, your facts about "it hasn't yet" are wrong. If you trace the bus system far enough back, when the area was stronger economically, people from all around the city used the bus system, even as far out as Warren. This, too, is an untruth you are spreading, and it would be best if you also stopped saying things like "it won't ever" because you are not all-knowing, are unable to see into the future, and probably you will be proved wrong by that statement, too, at some point down the road.
You can be against the tax, certainly. But when you argue about it, use facts, not opinions, and don't lie (even if you don't realize you're lying. Now you understand your "facts" aren't facts, and should correct the way you speak in the future).
AtownParent is right, and for more than the reasons listed. It is found that when we have a sound, healthy economy, there are fewer abortions. Why? Maybe because people are more inclined to keep children they can afford, because they have jobs in a healthy economy. Maybe because there are more social institutions funded in such times that are able to get out on the street and educated people better about methods of pregnancy prevention. There are a lot of potential factors, but when a country is doing well economically, often many social ills lessen in power.
clarkkent, now that i know it's okay to attack people for spelling and grammar, i will make sure to do so for the many, many people on your side of the court that should be back in grade school when it comes to that.
Nonsocialist, like most regions of any state, a population is not measured by one particular city, but by the towns that also surround it. This is why there are terms like Greater Youngstown, and Greater Cleveland, and Greater Pittsburgh. This is not a "left machine" tabulation, nor a "right machine" tabulation. This is simply a part of a normal lexicon (look it up if you don't know what it means) for talking about populations. The population of the Greater Youngstown area is over 500,000 people. When we are talked about in newspapers and magazines, such as the recent Forbes article, we are talked about not just within the city limits of Youngstown proper (as some would like to think) but as a region including Poland, Boardman, Canfield, Austintown, Warren, Liberty, Campbell, Struthers. I may have missed some other smaller town in there, but that is how regions are estimated, and they attach that number to the biggest city in the region, which, in our region, happens to be Youngstown.
As for using scare tactics and lies to influence people about anything, I think both parties have a history of doing that, don't you?
And on top of that, the area they want to develop is right across from the student dorms, heavily patrolled by YSU police, and full of many happy students. You should maybe talk to the young people who actually live there, rather than assuming you know how life elsewhere is. Your ability to render the truth is clouded by your outright, obvious hatred of a place that only exists in your own imagination.
Oldmangrump, I've lived around Wick Park for much of my life as a student and have never encountered problems of crime in that area. I've always felt safe there.
Here, here. The Vindy, however, has a history of instigating problems that are not problems once you find out the facts of how things are proceeding. Is it deliberate, or is it by accident. If it's deliberate, then we have a non-objective form of media manipulating public opinion. If it's on accident, then we have a pathetic form of media with a lot of progress to make within its own structure. I'm not holding my breath.
Posted on October 8 at 10:47 a.m.
Atownparent, there has been a lot of information provided both by the Vindicator and other posters about why the WRTA is vital to the success of the entire region, not just to Youngstown, and I felt repeating that information would be redundant. If you would like me to reiterate all that has been stated about why a bus system, not just in Youngstown, but an infrastructure for one to be in place throughout the entire county, is important to job creation (as it is in any settled community--and by community, I mean a region, not just a township or not even just one small city) then I will certainly comb through the articles that have already been printed. However, you have commented on all of those articles and declared it useless to you and yours despite the evidence that revitalizing the service to be used by people of all the surrounding communities and in order to attract more jobs to the area (because a bus service is one of the things many employers look at when it comes to whether or not they will locate in your community), so would I not be talking to the proverbial wall by repeating that information here yet again?
Posted on October 7 at 10:44 p.m.
Atownparent, it is your first amendment right to use opinion to argue. It is everyone elses right to call you on that and point out how uninformed your opinions are.
Posted on October 7 at 1:40 p.m.
AtownParent, I just agreed with you elsewhere, but it doesn't mean we agree on everything, which is fine. The tax hike would cost us, you and I, very little more money in the end each year. Really. And it is simply not only used by city residents, so at the very least when you post things of this nature, you should use a qualifying word like "mostly used by" instead of the definitive "used by" which indicates that it is "only" city residents that use the bus system, and this is simply not true. And also, your facts about "it hasn't yet" are wrong. If you trace the bus system far enough back, when the area was stronger economically, people from all around the city used the bus system, even as far out as Warren. This, too, is an untruth you are spreading, and it would be best if you also stopped saying things like "it won't ever" because you are not all-knowing, are unable to see into the future, and probably you will be proved wrong by that statement, too, at some point down the road.
You can be against the tax, certainly. But when you argue about it, use facts, not opinions, and don't lie (even if you don't realize you're lying. Now you understand your "facts" aren't facts, and should correct the way you speak in the future).
Posted on October 7 at 1:35 p.m.
AtownParent is right, and for more than the reasons listed. It is found that when we have a sound, healthy economy, there are fewer abortions. Why? Maybe because people are more inclined to keep children they can afford, because they have jobs in a healthy economy. Maybe because there are more social institutions funded in such times that are able to get out on the street and educated people better about methods of pregnancy prevention. There are a lot of potential factors, but when a country is doing well economically, often many social ills lessen in power.
Posted on October 6 at 12:32 a.m.
clarkkent, now that i know it's okay to attack people for spelling and grammar, i will make sure to do so for the many, many people on your side of the court that should be back in grade school when it comes to that.
Posted on October 4 at 12:46 a.m.
Andersonnathan, you just keep making yourself feel better with that line of thought.
Posted on September 30 at 10:21 p.m.
Nonsocialist, like most regions of any state, a population is not measured by one particular city, but by the towns that also surround it. This is why there are terms like Greater Youngstown, and Greater Cleveland, and Greater Pittsburgh. This is not a "left machine" tabulation, nor a "right machine" tabulation. This is simply a part of a normal lexicon (look it up if you don't know what it means) for talking about populations. The population of the Greater Youngstown area is over 500,000 people. When we are talked about in newspapers and magazines, such as the recent Forbes article, we are talked about not just within the city limits of Youngstown proper (as some would like to think) but as a region including Poland, Boardman, Canfield, Austintown, Warren, Liberty, Campbell, Struthers. I may have missed some other smaller town in there, but that is how regions are estimated, and they attach that number to the biggest city in the region, which, in our region, happens to be Youngstown.
As for using scare tactics and lies to influence people about anything, I think both parties have a history of doing that, don't you?
Posted on September 27 at 11:49 a.m.
And on top of that, the area they want to develop is right across from the student dorms, heavily patrolled by YSU police, and full of many happy students. You should maybe talk to the young people who actually live there, rather than assuming you know how life elsewhere is. Your ability to render the truth is clouded by your outright, obvious hatred of a place that only exists in your own imagination.
Posted on September 27 at 11:47 a.m.
Oldmangrump, I've lived around Wick Park for much of my life as a student and have never encountered problems of crime in that area. I've always felt safe there.
Posted on September 27 at 3 a.m.
Here, here. The Vindy, however, has a history of instigating problems that are not problems once you find out the facts of how things are proceeding. Is it deliberate, or is it by accident. If it's deliberate, then we have a non-objective form of media manipulating public opinion. If it's on accident, then we have a pathetic form of media with a lot of progress to make within its own structure. I'm not holding my breath.