Comparing Ohio's property tax rates to Florida and Cal is a fools proposition. In fact, comparing property taxes alone is for fools. But, since you THINK you know this property tax answer, let's check.
Oops, you're wrong again CabinFever.
Florida ranks 22nd highest property tax rate and Ohio is 21st. California 10th. (NJ is #1) Pa 14th
A better comparison is overall taxes paid in comparison to wages earned. I pay about 50% of my income to some sort of tax. Don't you think that's a bit high? Gas tax, federal tax, medicare, SS, state, city, property, sales tax, taxes on flights, rental cars, etc.
I pay almost $2000 a year in property taxes. Most goes to the schools. That's not the point. The township provides me little value for the money I send them. They overpay their employees according to the audit $20,000 per employee for safety services in a community where safety isn't much of a concern.
Taxpayers are seeing higher health care costs, no pensions and decreased 401K contributions, lower wages, lower housing values, stock market caused 401K declines approaching 50% and you want the public workers to keep getting more? Wow. A more true trough feeder could not be found.
The main reason I don't run for trustee is that it takes cash and I'm not about to put up $20,000 of my own money for the pleasure of working with people like you! The second option is to take money from the cabal. Ask Larry, Curly, and Moe, they all accepted cash from the cabal and now are owned. Miller and her family were attacked mercilessly for 8 years and I really don't want to expose my family to those attacks. Too many agendas that are in direct opposition to what's best for Boardman. No thanks, my political aspirations have been fulfilled.
How many offices have YOU run for? I ran for county commissioner. Spent about $1000 of my own money for nothing really since the Morley Democratic party had already decided that Sherlock was their choice over the Hanni Democrats candidate Taylor. Everyone else was naive and wasted their time and money. The committee people are sheeple who simply do what they're told. How did that work out!!! Sherlock was a disgrace.
Why do you feel the need to impress us with your second home?
You really don't understand taxes and economics do you?
You have it backward really. People leave or don't move to an area because taxes are too high. Ask Youngstown why businesses have relocated to the suburbs and refuse to locate in Youngstown unless they get tax abatements! There is very little crime in Boardman. We don't need a huge police force paid like they are fighting crime in New Orleans. $20,000 more per employee than peer communities? We don't have many real fires either and could easily run with a partial volunteer department.
Ever hear of supply and demand? If you lower the price of oil, what happens? Oil demand goes up. (and vice versa) The same is true with taxes. Higher property taxes causes less housing demand, more foreclosures and less money in the pockets of the taxpayers, therefore more businesses close and housing values decline. It is the vicious cycle the entire country is experiencing.
Raising taxes so you can pay township employees Caddy wages and benefits is a foolish policy. Taxpayers get no benefit from that and it impedes growth.
The fact that we can run with less manpower and crime hasn't spiked nor have more fires occurred shows everyone how bloated Boardman government was.
Instead of expanding government and its ever growing need for revenues and the extraction of those dollars from the people who fuel the Boardman economy, the taxpayers, we need the opposite. Less government more efficient than we currently have. The public sector needs to make less money, have less benefits, and give us taxpayers a break. It's the taxpayers and private sector who foot the bill and make the economy hum, not the public sector. The valley needs more consolidation of services not larger separate entities paid far more than the market dictates.
I would have no qualms saying to anyones face that they are overpaid and under worked. $122,000 for a cop is ridiculous. 38 vacation days. All the perks and bennies. For police work that is about as easy as it gets. How many Boardman cops have been hurt in the line of duty? The minimum wage lady at Circle K has a tougher more dangerous job.
The same tired old, Apollo is jealous routine! LOL. If it makes you feel better.
Voters passed that levy BEFORE the financial meltdown and with the promise of more cops. Plus it was half of the original request from a year earlier.
Mancini also voted FOR Loree. Kathy at least admitted it was a mistake. Costello would have also voted for him since all he ever did was parrot Mancini. I hear that the drunk my be back! Don't give him a township car!!!
Since everyone knows who I am why change?
Cabin Fever, afraid to be known? Don't tell enough truth for people to know who you are? Chicken?
Boardman won't be shut down. Just that those cushy wages and benefits are soon coming to an end. And remember, this is just the beginning. There is much more pain to endure economically. Wait until the stores at the mall start shutting down and the Boardman plaza looks like an empty building.
Fiscal watch is just the beginning.
Everything I've "spewed" amazingly is all true. Substation nightmare, clearance, lease, employee salaries.
All you can do is attack the messenger since you can't refute the message. I don't care. I'll be here "spewing" the truth. Can't wait to post the salaries from 2009. Also going to get the campaign reports to show YOU and others who we just elected and who financed the campaigns. Those should shut up the cabal deniers.
Apollo is a cover name Cabin Fever? Everyone in Boardman and at the Vindy knows who Apollo is! If I was looking for cover, I'd use a different screen name and different style. I don't care that everyone knows who I am. You obviously do care. Testicle problem?
He found some yes and who do you think directed that Leicht scam? Remember Leicht is a cabal member. Tug supported a Cabal member in Calhoun who was financed by Smith after losing last time without Smith's support.
The township will still be going into fiscal watch, if not in 2010, then 2011. Ain't no more money coming anytime soon ALLBS. But keep hoping you'll get a raise, trough feeder extraordinaire.
As for clueless, you are perhaps the most clueless of the township troughers.
Going to be fun watching the state take over and cut wages and benefits!
Tug, change is indeed coming. The taxpayers are going to be rather ticked off when jobs don't come back and their wages and benefits are shrinking and yet the public workers think they are immune. States are bankrupt. Cities are bankrupt. The country is bankrupt. Townships are bankrupt. Taxpayers are tapped out. Yes, change is coming and you and your buddies aren't going to like it.
I receive very limited township services my friend. We need safety services but not at the idiotic wages and benefits we have permitted them to extort from past trustees and drunk administrators who didn't do their jobs as advocates for the taxpayers. $122,000 for a cop?? Really! Average of over $85,000 a year? Senior cops getting 38 vacation days and 11 holidays? 4 hours for court appearances that take an hour tops. Take home cars for almost 30. Health care the envy of the working world? Pensions that most taxpayers don't even have? Retire at 50? The public sector has bankrupted the governments.
Hey Tug, why is it alright for her not to do the pledge as an expression of her freedoms and yet Calhoun thought nothing of getting others rights taken away by getting the ratemyteacher comments taken down? Isn't it their right to rate Calhouns performance as a teacher?
By the way, I agree the girl deserves high praise for taking advantage of those freedoms.
Yeah, I'm afraid of what people say about me! LOL. If I only had a dime for each time you cabal members have called me names or made threats (dems17 website) I'd be wealthy.
I base my opinion of Costello on his already pathetic performance last time. Rubber stamper supreme.
Calhoun is simply another full time trough feeder who had the audacity to have all the comments removed from the ratemyteacher website because they show him to be not such a good teacher.
Moliterno has been just as much of a disappointment as Gallitto was. Come on, get rid of the diaper administrator already and don't bring the drunk back. (I heard a possibility by the way)
Fiscal emergency is going to be fun! I can't wait to see how the cabal explains that. Probably blame Gallitto and Miller I suppose.
You really like the dolt word.
You need a college course in government. Miller as one vote cannot get anything accomplished. That's the problem with 3 trustees, it takes 2 to tango. Costello and Mancini always voted in lock step. Gallitto sold herself as a fiscal conservative and then the cabal got to her. She chose poorly and it costs her at the ballot box. If she had sided with Miller, Boardman might have accomplished something and both would have gotten reelected.
Enjoy the cabal owned 3 stooges. Larry, Curly, and Moe.
Posted on November 20 at 4:23 p.m.
Comparing Ohio's property tax rates to Florida and Cal is a fools proposition. In fact, comparing property taxes alone is for fools. But, since you THINK you know this property tax answer, let's check.
Oops, you're wrong again CabinFever.
Florida ranks 22nd highest property tax rate and Ohio is 21st. California 10th. (NJ is #1) Pa 14th
http://articles.moneycentral.msn.com/Tax...
A better comparison is overall taxes paid in comparison to wages earned. I pay about 50% of my income to some sort of tax. Don't you think that's a bit high? Gas tax, federal tax, medicare, SS, state, city, property, sales tax, taxes on flights, rental cars, etc.
I pay almost $2000 a year in property taxes. Most goes to the schools. That's not the point. The township provides me little value for the money I send them. They overpay their employees according to the audit $20,000 per employee for safety services in a community where safety isn't much of a concern.
Taxpayers are seeing higher health care costs, no pensions and decreased 401K contributions, lower wages, lower housing values, stock market caused 401K declines approaching 50% and you want the public workers to keep getting more? Wow. A more true trough feeder could not be found.
Posted on November 20 at 2:52 p.m.
The main reason I don't run for trustee is that it takes cash and I'm not about to put up $20,000 of my own money for the pleasure of working with people like you! The second option is to take money from the cabal. Ask Larry, Curly, and Moe, they all accepted cash from the cabal and now are owned. Miller and her family were attacked mercilessly for 8 years and I really don't want to expose my family to those attacks. Too many agendas that are in direct opposition to what's best for Boardman. No thanks, my political aspirations have been fulfilled.
How many offices have YOU run for? I ran for county commissioner. Spent about $1000 of my own money for nothing really since the Morley Democratic party had already decided that Sherlock was their choice over the Hanni Democrats candidate Taylor. Everyone else was naive and wasted their time and money. The committee people are sheeple who simply do what they're told. How did that work out!!! Sherlock was a disgrace.
Why do you feel the need to impress us with your second home?
You really don't understand taxes and economics do you?
You have it backward really. People leave or don't move to an area because taxes are too high. Ask Youngstown why businesses have relocated to the suburbs and refuse to locate in Youngstown unless they get tax abatements! There is very little crime in Boardman. We don't need a huge police force paid like they are fighting crime in New Orleans. $20,000 more per employee than peer communities? We don't have many real fires either and could easily run with a partial volunteer department.
Ever hear of supply and demand? If you lower the price of oil, what happens? Oil demand goes up. (and vice versa) The same is true with taxes. Higher property taxes causes less housing demand, more foreclosures and less money in the pockets of the taxpayers, therefore more businesses close and housing values decline. It is the vicious cycle the entire country is experiencing.
Raising taxes so you can pay township employees Caddy wages and benefits is a foolish policy. Taxpayers get no benefit from that and it impedes growth.
The fact that we can run with less manpower and crime hasn't spiked nor have more fires occurred shows everyone how bloated Boardman government was.
Instead of expanding government and its ever growing need for revenues and the extraction of those dollars from the people who fuel the Boardman economy, the taxpayers, we need the opposite. Less government more efficient than we currently have. The public sector needs to make less money, have less benefits, and give us taxpayers a break. It's the taxpayers and private sector who foot the bill and make the economy hum, not the public sector. The valley needs more consolidation of services not larger separate entities paid far more than the market dictates.
Posted on November 20 at 2:52 p.m.
I would have no qualms saying to anyones face that they are overpaid and under worked. $122,000 for a cop is ridiculous. 38 vacation days. All the perks and bennies. For police work that is about as easy as it gets. How many Boardman cops have been hurt in the line of duty? The minimum wage lady at Circle K has a tougher more dangerous job.
The same tired old, Apollo is jealous routine! LOL. If it makes you feel better.
Voters passed that levy BEFORE the financial meltdown and with the promise of more cops. Plus it was half of the original request from a year earlier.
Posted on November 19 at 10:55 p.m.
Mancini also voted FOR Loree. Kathy at least admitted it was a mistake. Costello would have also voted for him since all he ever did was parrot Mancini. I hear that the drunk my be back! Don't give him a township car!!!
Since everyone knows who I am why change?
Cabin Fever, afraid to be known? Don't tell enough truth for people to know who you are? Chicken?
Boardman won't be shut down. Just that those cushy wages and benefits are soon coming to an end. And remember, this is just the beginning. There is much more pain to endure economically. Wait until the stores at the mall start shutting down and the Boardman plaza looks like an empty building.
Fiscal watch is just the beginning.
Everything I've "spewed" amazingly is all true. Substation nightmare, clearance, lease, employee salaries.
All you can do is attack the messenger since you can't refute the message. I don't care. I'll be here "spewing" the truth. Can't wait to post the salaries from 2009. Also going to get the campaign reports to show YOU and others who we just elected and who financed the campaigns. Those should shut up the cabal deniers.
Posted on November 19 at 8:49 p.m.
Apollo is a cover name Cabin Fever? Everyone in Boardman and at the Vindy knows who Apollo is! If I was looking for cover, I'd use a different screen name and different style. I don't care that everyone knows who I am. You obviously do care. Testicle problem?
Posted on November 19 at 8:40 p.m.
He found some yes and who do you think directed that Leicht scam? Remember Leicht is a cabal member. Tug supported a Cabal member in Calhoun who was financed by Smith after losing last time without Smith's support.
The township will still be going into fiscal watch, if not in 2010, then 2011. Ain't no more money coming anytime soon ALLBS. But keep hoping you'll get a raise, trough feeder extraordinaire.
As for clueless, you are perhaps the most clueless of the township troughers.
Going to be fun watching the state take over and cut wages and benefits!
Posted on November 19 at 8:16 p.m.
Tug, change is indeed coming. The taxpayers are going to be rather ticked off when jobs don't come back and their wages and benefits are shrinking and yet the public workers think they are immune. States are bankrupt. Cities are bankrupt. The country is bankrupt. Townships are bankrupt. Taxpayers are tapped out. Yes, change is coming and you and your buddies aren't going to like it.
Posted on November 19 at 8:10 p.m.
I receive very limited township services my friend. We need safety services but not at the idiotic wages and benefits we have permitted them to extort from past trustees and drunk administrators who didn't do their jobs as advocates for the taxpayers. $122,000 for a cop?? Really! Average of over $85,000 a year? Senior cops getting 38 vacation days and 11 holidays? 4 hours for court appearances that take an hour tops. Take home cars for almost 30. Health care the envy of the working world? Pensions that most taxpayers don't even have? Retire at 50? The public sector has bankrupted the governments.
Posted on November 19 at 7:48 p.m.
Hey Tug, why is it alright for her not to do the pledge as an expression of her freedoms and yet Calhoun thought nothing of getting others rights taken away by getting the ratemyteacher comments taken down? Isn't it their right to rate Calhouns performance as a teacher?
By the way, I agree the girl deserves high praise for taking advantage of those freedoms.
Posted on November 19 at 7:43 p.m.
Yeah, I'm afraid of what people say about me! LOL. If I only had a dime for each time you cabal members have called me names or made threats (dems17 website) I'd be wealthy.
I base my opinion of Costello on his already pathetic performance last time. Rubber stamper supreme.
Calhoun is simply another full time trough feeder who had the audacity to have all the comments removed from the ratemyteacher website because they show him to be not such a good teacher.
Moliterno has been just as much of a disappointment as Gallitto was. Come on, get rid of the diaper administrator already and don't bring the drunk back. (I heard a possibility by the way)
Fiscal emergency is going to be fun! I can't wait to see how the cabal explains that. Probably blame Gallitto and Miller I suppose.
You really like the dolt word.
You need a college course in government. Miller as one vote cannot get anything accomplished. That's the problem with 3 trustees, it takes 2 to tango. Costello and Mancini always voted in lock step. Gallitto sold herself as a fiscal conservative and then the cabal got to her. She chose poorly and it costs her at the ballot box. If she had sided with Miller, Boardman might have accomplished something and both would have gotten reelected.
Enjoy the cabal owned 3 stooges. Larry, Curly, and Moe.